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 Post subject: why the Chinese don't count calories.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:55 am 
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Why The Chinese Don't Count Calories by Lorraine Clissold, who claims that a balanced Chinese diet is the key to a healthy body and a long life.

The main thrust of the book is that Chinese people eat three rice-based meals a day and they eat until they are full - no fad dieting or meal skipping - and that nourishing their bodies keeps them healthy and slim. It didn't have you all rushing out for dim sum though.

Some of Clissold's claims were disputed, including that there is no Chinese word for calories and that it is Western food which making younger Chinese fat - one of you said that over-indulgence in the richest meat-based Chinese dishes is the problem. There were also a few raised eyebrows about whether Chinese food is healthy at all, given the quantity of oil it is often cooked in, which can lead to heart disease.

Nutritionist Patrick Holford is sure that Western food, whether eaten in London, Paris or Beijing, is a recipe for disaster. "If the Western diet really was healthy we wouldn't have one in ten over forty diabetic, one in three over fifty obese, and one in six dying prematurely from heart attacks or strokes," he points out. He also believes the modern Chinese diet will soon generate similar statistics.

For the record, it is a "sugary, overprocessed Western diet" which we're calling to account here, not macrobiotic yoga fiends. Of course eating like that is better than round the clock takeways.

Affluent Chinese parents and grandparents are spoiling their children with all the foods they could not afford to eat themselves. Clissold is a critic of fast food whether it comes from a multi-national or a local takeaway. This is no Chinese phenomenon, it occurs anywhere the birth rate is low and economy fairly strong. Spain, for example, boasts its fair share of chubby little princes spoilt not just with the best jamon, but pizza and cake too. Clissold recommends Feeding China's Little Emperors, edited by Jun Jing, for more on this topic.

Both the Food Doctor Ian Marber and Patrick Holford disagreed with Clissold's promotion of eating a staple food, in this case rice, in large quantities with every meal. They said it makes Chinese people pudgy, which she simply doesn't accept. "Chinese people have based their diet around a staple for thousands of years," she says. "I have personally witnessed tiny young women consuming massive bowls of it and find it very hard to believe that 'that pudgy Chinese person' (which is a totally modern phenomenon) has got that way on rice. But it is a staple foiled by a series of flavoursome dishes that nourish the five organs."

Clissold also suggests that much of her book centres around Chinese Dietary Therapy, which is beyond the grasp of much modern nutrition: "The body is seen not as tissue and skeleton, muscles, bones and anatomical organs, but as an integral part of the natural world. By eating a mixture of Yin and Yang foods and more importantly featuring the five flavours in the cuisine the Chinese keep these organs in balance and the body from becoming overweight."

Lastly, Clissold points out that while a word - "ka" from Mandarin may have been designated to mean "calorie" in English, it is a literal translation, free of the complex baggage a calorie brings to bear on many Western dieters. Much of the Western world's obsession with dieting and losing weight is bound up in the word "calorie", but its implications are no more understood by a Chinese person unfamiliar with its ramifications than the full reach of qi can be understood by a Westerner who has not studied the concept.



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It all jsut seems like common sense to me, howerver, I do like rice, but I'm not sure I could face 3 meals of it per day every day!

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i love rice and i can even eat it everyday, but no more than once :confusion:


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I love Chines Food (the westernized version, anyway) and I enjoy rice, but I don't want it every day, let alone every meal.


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To be honest with you all, I just don't like the rather blase way Chinese people treat their rice. I've personally see them reheat previously cooked but not chilled or refridgerated rice in stir-fry's. In China Town - London I saw them doing exactly the same. On eold woman took out a tub of rice left over from last night's servings that had just been sitting there on a shelf at the back all night. She tore off strips of crispy Peking duck along with other bits and pieces, stir-fried it then packaged it up for the customer.

Now you may think that's ok and normal practice for many, and I'm sorry to say I agree - it is. But when you take into account that rice can be highly dangerous is reheated after not being stored and chilled adequately. It develops Salmonella in the same way the chicken does.
How many of us would eat un-chilled previously cooked chicken in a thirty second stir-fry? I know I wouldn't.

You do have to be so careful with rice. It's not safe like many think! As long as it's rinsed, cooked thoroughly, then cooled as quickly as possible and kept refridgerated and eaten the same or next day it's fine. If you must re-heat it do so until you're sure it's piping hot all the way through and NEVER reheat again.

I much prefer the Japanese ideals for serving rice.
They alternate their diet on a much healthier scale with other starches such as noodles etc., Their rice is NEVER reheated and if used in sushi which I totally adore it is chilled immediately, used that day alone and NEVER left hanging around in warm humid atmosphere's.

give me Japanese over chinese any day :wub:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:08 am 
Geez, that's awful...the rice being left out all night like that! That's against health regulations here in the US...the place could be shut down for doing that. I never, ever leave food sitting out. If we don't eat it it goes directly into the refrigerator.


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Same here Liz, food regulations are severe indeed but many of these 'backstreet' restaurants will and indeed do, do anything to cut corners and increase profit margins.

Even more so now the credit crunch is biting very hard. Be very aware when going out to eat.

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